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Tarquin,
I'll put it to you again:

What right have you got to expose copyrighted methods in the slapdash, badly explained way that you do?

Tarquin, the following is a statement not a question so please answer Daymo's question before you reply to anything I say here.



The point is that by talking about it here we are raising people's awareness of the infection that is rife throughout the magic community. It is a sad statement to make but we must accept that due to, primarily, the internet the magic community has suffered the fate of many other communities. There is a minority of so called magicians who are prepared to disregard the morals and etiquette of their chosen community and as such they fraudulently provide copyrighted material and no cost to anybody who is bold enough to ask. Now we cannot blame those who innocently come in search of the art of magic because ultimately we are all to blame for the world they have found themselves in, and that in itself is another argument entirely. However, in my opinion, those who actively promote such activity, no matter what sort of "moral stand point" they take, should be hung drawn and quartered, making an example of them to make the point that this behaviour is totally unacceptable. You see Tarquin, you have only scratched the surface of what makes Magic such a worthwhile waste of time. Understanding magical principles, putting them into practise in performance or even putting them into practise well in performance mean nothing if you cannot understand why they are there in the first place. Hard working magicians have spent time and energy developing some fantastic effects and principles and yet after all that effort they delight in making them available to other magicians. Why? Because the thing that makes magic such an amazingly worthwhile waste of time is the companionship and community that exists between like minded magicians. Why do you think places like Magic Bunny are so popular? The reason there are so many arguments here is because of the shared passion the magicians here have and that passion creates respect for fellow magicians, despite differences in opinion. Until you understand that you will never be an accepted member of the magic community. Of course you may be "popular" with the masses of ignorant innocents who come accross your pathetic attention seeking sites but eventually they will come to see that you are a sad and disgusting fraud and as such should be ostricised from the community you proclaim to be promoting.

I make no apologies for what I have said here, it is my opinion that what you are doing is disgusting and pathetically sad.

i wish i was a moderator or the site owner of mb i would ensure that you couldnt make that statement again without lying

I have not read it all but I did make a copy of the post in question so that, in case anyone was in doubt that such a post existed, I would be able to produce it in its entirety. I will not, of course, republish it in a public forum or send it by email to anyone who does not have a legitimate interest in it. Banachek is a member of Magic Bunny and, of course, if he asks to see it, I shall be pleased to mail it to him. I have glanced through your exposure (I say 'your' since it was published on your site) of PK Touches and it seems to me that it is a full and detailed exposure of Banachek's copyrighted work.

You seem to be arguing that, if someone benefits from reading such work, then that is all fine and dandy. That is tantamount to arguing that it is ok to peddle stolen goods. I'm sorry, Tarquin, but if that really is the way you feel, I can only say that I profoundly disagree and I am frankly astonished and saddened that someone of your age and experience should actively support and encourage such unethical and illicit activity.

best wishes
Huw

Daymo,
I think magic that is explained on my site is explained in a great and understandable way. I guess it just depends on the reader.

You still have not answered Daymo's question fully. Once more, in a more condensed form:



It is a simple enough question to understand. In this case it does not depend on the reader.

Answer the question.

Why the hell are we giving this loser the oxygen of publicity. He's a loser. We Know he's a loser, He Knows He's a loser. If he ever has the balls to introduce himself to me personally, I shall explain face to face why he is a loser.

Suffice to say, Most vandalism in the world is carried out by losers. Losers who want to be able to say, "I did that." Who mentally work out the difference in effort between destroying something and building something. Then destroy something because it's easier.

Tarquin. You're a Loser.

Guys, Ignor him and he'll go away.

Andy

Andy C,
All that is easy to say when you can hide behind a computer. All I can say is what you search for in magic I have already accomplished. I performed regularly and made lots of money, enough to retire on . My tricks have been published in major magazine and in the best books out there. I have hung out with the best and many of the best use my material. I don't think of that as being a loser. Good luck with your career.

Tarquin. I take it then that you are still defending your moral and legal right to republish copyrighted material without the author's permission?

Huw

Tarquin is doing exactly what he did before which is skirting around the issue.
I believe that he has no right to publish copyrighted material on his website and he believes he does have such rights.

I for one am willing to fight my corner and state adamantly why I have this point of view – Tarquin are you prepared to do the same?

He hasn't and he won't. Simply because he knows that he is doing the wrong thing. There isn't a single reason that can make his actions acceptable.

I don't think he'll ever change his mind about exposure. Especially if he really is such a succesfull magician as he claims to be. It just keeps me wondering how a person with a career of magic behind him can act such unrespectfully.



Are there any proofs of this? Does anyone know who Tarquin really is? For me, unless proven otherwise, he is just some pathetic wannabe magician with no ethics or moral understanding. Loser that is.

I believe the gentelman's name is Tarquin Churchwell .
Google proves details of his work.

Tarquin,
As you have danced around my question on both this thread and the previous locked thread, I am forced to dig up the two excuses that I have heard you make in the past.
These are both paraphrased below:

1. “I’ve purchased countless effects which were naff and I don’t want people to be duped the way I have been.”
2. “We are all magicians and we are all teaching each other.”

I’d like to dissect the points individually if you’ll permit me.

Firstly with regards to being “ripped off” by inferior products. There are a few ways that magicians can avoid purchasing items, but the main one – that almost every logically thinking magician would turn to, (rather than exposure) is reviews.

There is a comprehensive body of product reviews on this site, as are there on many other websites (none of which need to resort to exposure.) Also, you don’t simply target inferior products – any and every bloody thing is fair game for exposure on your site. Also, what does exposure do for the well being of a magician’s bank balance that a detailed and informative review would not do?

In addition to exposing marketed items, you have also exposed copyrighted effects that are not even available to purchasing public (such as Derren Browns “Lift”). Could you please explain to me how exposing Derren Brown’s “Lift” (with a ridiculously simplistic and infantile explanation I might add) helps prevent magicians from being ripped off?

As for your second point regarding magicians teaching magicians; this simply is not the case. As a onetime professional, you must be aware of the fact that method is a very small part of a successful performance and that presentation is what turns a simple trick into a miracle.

All of explanations of effects that I’ve seen on your site in the past are written with no consideration to performance, no detail on any nuances or subtleties suggested – merely crude explanations of gimmicks of and sleights.

I’ve seen a post that you made personally in which somebody asks “how to do” such and such an effect – and you have merely responded with a post on how the gimmick works.

Please could you explain to me how and what that teaches other magicians?

However; all of this is academic really since this is simply not your material to give away. In publishing this material, you are in breach of copyright and you are stealing from mouths of people who rely on product sales as part of their income.

You are creating a generation of lazy unethical magicians who will no doubt go out on to the streets and begin performing these badly explained effects and getting them completely wrong due to the fact that they never purchased the manuscript/DVD etc. and didn’t learn the correct procedures; only knowing how to perform the effect because some on the internet told them.

I look forward to your response and you are more than welcome to dissect my argument on a point by point basis too.

Cheers
Daymo

Hide behind a computer? er when My user name is just a shortening of my real name, and my Profile gives a link to my website which gives full details of my name and how to find me? (Including a Map.) I don't think so.

Your profile on the other hand tells us nothing. Then again, I have no reason to hide.

BTW. I have had 25 years as a professional entertainer, Working with some of the best in the world. I have been thrilled by the Cliff divers in acapulco, Swam with dolphins in the wild, Scuba Dived on The great Barrier reef. I have enjoyed Chinese food in China and Hong Kong, Indian Food in India, and been welcomed into peoples homes there to share with them. All of this without ever compromising my honesty or my integrity. I now have a life style that many thousands a year try to emulate, but very few succede. Money, Let's put it this way, I don't need any Charity concerts for me, Thanks.

I admire many people for their accomplishments, You are not on that list. I envy no-one, Particularly someone like you.

I will give you no more publicity on here, and I will not dignify any of your outpourings with an answer.

Andy

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You better realise that in time , exposure sites will become less and less - exposed for the pieces of they are. To be hounest I don't give a how much money you've made. Andy will be 10 times a magician you'll ever be. Real '' magicians'' don't exposue secrets. You can go join the masked magician - i'm sure you would be best bud's.


Go read a book,


-Fin