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you may think it was gibberish. I don't speak Bunny-eze. I am not angry. No I have a hard time writing a bit between the laughter I am having at the posts here. But I am only going to post a few more things because it seems you all keep repeating yourself and I have said all I need to say.

Everyone here, look at yourselves, magicbunny is a.co.uk site, but where is the etiquette? Just because you don't like what is hapening you treat tarquin like something on the bottom of your shoe? In a shop if someone were to offend you I am sure you would not react this was to them. Everyone has their own view and are entitled to it, but now we have established the cause and the concern. Many people may think what tarquin is doing is wrong, however there are fundamental factors that have been overlooked. The site is a teaching site to magicians and magicians only. Harry Lorayne once said that exposure is worth nothing to the public, and the site in question would be of no use to a layperson. He also says tht exposure itself in the term that the majority of members here view it as is wrong, however when a person uses magic to self gain ti increase their image ie a celebrity using it to make them appear better, it truly weakens the art. My personal belief is that Tarquins site is not doing anything wrong, and this has been proven by the fact that had it been doing anyhting wrong, it would have been closed and tarquin sued. This has not been the case. It can also be argued that the site in question is wrong, and as a result of it you are persecuting Tarquin. I ask of you to put aside your feelings of distaste and anger, and look at Tarquin. He has well over 30 years of experience in the magic industry and taught some of the top magicians in the world today, how can one with that much knowledge and expertise do something that is so far against the art he has studied for the majority of his life? The answer is that it is not wrong.

I was thinking more of English.

This, Tarquin, is gibberish....

Tarquin, read your posts. You are rambling. I honestly find it hard to make any sense of your last few posts. I would be happy to have a well considered, adult discussion with you but I really feel that your posts are degenerating into mere nonsense. I would sincerely ask that you have a good night's sleep before continuing this discussion as you are, frankly, in danger of making a fool of yourself.

best wishes
Huw

You have failed to understand the problem. We are not talking about etiquette. We are talking about criminal activity. Reprinting copyrighted works is illegal. That is all you need to know.

Huw

Huw, I don't wish to argue or cause friction, but if anything criminal is being done, why not sue tarquin? I myself am part of his site, and have trailed through the thousands of posts, and have found no copywrighted material whatsoever in it. (please PM me with a link if you have one)

Huw,
I still can't find what you are talking about and have asked you to PM it to me but you haven't so I am thinking that you don't have it because it doesn't exist.

Well your blind then

we are not blind. We are asking for it to be PM'ed and we get nothing. Nothing that proves your accusations. And you are so into your laws that you should know that we are innocent until PROVEN guilty. Please PM me the copyrighted material that you have that you CLAIM to have gotten off my site.

Yawn. I am getting bored with this.......

Ok, the show is over for tonight, but I will be available tomorrow to read you funny quips and inaccurate accusations.

I`m afraid I`m going to defend Tarquin to a degree here. The subject of exposure in magic is a thorny one and gets people all emotional, which is understandable, but I`m sure there`s some lack of thought that goes into these arguments sometimes. Let`s look at the trick "Twisted Sisters". I learned this trick in my local magic club. I was impressed, and the magician showed me the secret. Did this stop me buying it? No. And I`ve bought many sets since. When I was shown "The Visitor", I went out and bought "The Classic Magic Of Larry Jennings". I recently bought an excellent trick called "Eliminator". If I showed it to someone in my magic club and they asked how it was done, I would probably tell them. It seems to me that we`re reducing everything to copyright and monetary value. Considering magic is supposed to be an art, this seems to be rather vulgar. In the past 40 years or so, all magicians have asked for is some recognition in the form of creditation. This is as it should be. If things carry on the way they`re currently headed we will end up having to pay for every single little move, flourish or trick invented from now onwards. If this happens then it will be a sad day for this form of entertainment. I`ve paid my dues in magic. I have a bookshelf crammed full with magic books , a video/DVD shelf creaking the wieight of material and a cupboard full of various tricks. I`ve also learnt a lot from fellow magicians for free. As far as I`m concerned, as long as Tarquin accredits the tricks he describes correctly and as long as he`s not making money out of revealing other people`s magic, then there`s no problem. Also, I`m quite impressed with the way he has conducted himself on this thread. His replies have been civilized and non confrontational.

Great. You still think its a show. I'm glad your seeing a therapist. Have you told him/her about your online web fights or illegal dealings?

I see you plan to ip ban me from your site. I was only on there to email magicians to tell them their trick was exposed.

Thanks Houdini and Devland

Dave do not, I repeat NOT make this personal, your comment has nothing to do with the discussion, and has degraded you to such a extent you are willing to use someones health against them.Stop.

Really, Tarquin, I find it impossible to believe that you can’t find the PK Touches thread on your site. Anyone who has heard of Banachek will be able to guess which forum this topic can be found in.. As you seem not to be aware of Banachek however, I shall give you one clue: Banachek is a mentalist. I also find it incredible that you are so unfamiliar with the Search feature of your forum that you have been unable to search for the rather unusual terms which I have given you – namely Banachek and “PK Touches”. The thread does exist. I have a copy of it. If I can find it, so can you.

But this is not the only such thread on your forum. It is perhaps the most blatant infringement of copyright. But you must be aware that there are many other posts in which manuscripts or DVD routines are at the very least sufficiently closely paraphrased to pose a very strong risk of copyright infringement. It seems highly likely that there are other examples of unambiguous copyright violation since you are obviously totally unconcerned about this and appear to have an “anything goes” policy.

I’d like to give you the benefit of the doubt and suppose that you are either amazingly careless or astonishingly ignorant of the law. However, your posts in this thread provide me with no convincing evidence of this. On the contrary, you seem to be labouring under the delusion that you are free to do as you wish.

Oh, and by the way, I don’t think devplus is doing you any favours by encouraging people to sue you. You may wish to have a quiet word with him…

best wishes
Huw